4A Team State Title Race

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Which Regional team Champs win team state title?
NW Guilford
Laney
Hough
Cardinal Gibbons

Hough is battle tested in a tough battle for Regional  title but Laney just flat out put the smack down on everyone in the East winning the title by 146 points. Is that the largest margin of victory ever at Regionals? Going to be interesting what team can get their hammers into semis for those valuable team points.

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I am sure Parkland has won regionals by more than 146 points with tougher competition than Laney has in their region. We all know Parkland used to get bonus points like it was going out of style. I have a relatively young team and we were sitting in second place after the first round because we preach getting bonus points to our kids. That being said we finished in 7th because we only have 2 SQ. Every single kid in the first round that advanced won by pin that did not have a bye. Those things matter a lot. Now that being said Laney did have a lot of byes in the first round which hurt them from scoring even more points. They are a good team but Parkland, Cary, and Riverside for good reason hold most of the records in the book they were all dominant for years in duals and individuals together because of that reason consistent bonus points. Also 3rd becomes first when the gold is out of reach. For the record I am not disagreeing with you Laney is a tough team and they have just as good of a shot as Hough and NW Guilford. I do not think Gibbons has enough bullets in the chamber so to speak to keep up.

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Jtutterow

I just posed a question never said anything about Laney winning it all and about competition, Laney or any team cannot control who they wrestle at regionals you can only wrestle who is in front of you.
With that said winning regionals by 146 and putting 10 in the finals is a beat down no matter how you slice it. Speaking of bonus points how do you think 239.9 points were put on the board?
Now back to the originals post about the team race.

[coachsmithwick]

I am going with either Hough or NW Guilford. I would not count out Lake Norman or Mooresville.

Which Regional team Champs win team state title?
NW Guilford
Laney
Hough
Cardinal Gibbons

Hough is battle tested in a tough battle for Regional  title but Laney just flat out put the smack down on everyone in the East winning the title by 146 points. Is that the largest margin of victory ever at Regionals? Going to be interesting what team can get their hammers into semis for those valuable team points.

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Coach Smith,

I can’t disagree with your prediction but just off of numbers that first round will be huge for Laney with 11 qualifiers, if their hammers put up bonus points and they put 9-10 into the quarters. The separation will come with bonus points in the quarters what team can put up the most bonus points

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Just to add more content and the crazy year this has been.
160 4A in the bottom half of the bracket has a state runner up, 3rd place finisher, two 5th place finishers and a 6th place finisher from last year, 5 out of 8 in the bottom half of the bracket made the podium a year ago and  no wrestle backs, crazy but exciting. Bracket gods sure blessed the top of the bracket.
Doebeck comes out of the top of bracket, while Lock, Lance, Goodin, Bentley and Hopper fight to come out of the bottom.

[Jmurray5152]

Too add on the the 4A 160 comment. Look at 4A 145 the bottom of the bracket has 3 runner ups from last year and you can make an argument  the  top half is just as tough.

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Too add on the the 4A 160 comment. Look at 4A 145 the bottom of the bracket has 3 runner ups from last year and you can make an argument  the  top half is just as tough.

Crazy,  Edwards vs Figueredo meet in blood round, one state runner up from last year will not make the podium this year. Murray looks to come out of top half of bracket, he is wrestling well.

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Jtutterow

I just posed a question never said anything about Laney winning it all and about competition, Laney or any team cannot control who they wrestle at regionals you can only wrestle who is in front of you.
With that said winning regionals by 146 and putting 10 in the finals is a beat down no matter how you slice it. Speaking of bonus points how do you think 239.9 points were put on the board?
Now back to the originals post about the team race.

I answered your second question you asked if Laney had scored more than anyone else. My point was old school Parkland I am sure put up more than that because regionals were full without byes and they got bonus points from their kids.

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Jtutterow

I just posed a question never said anything about Laney winning it all and about competition, Laney or any team cannot control who they wrestle at regionals you can only wrestle who is in front of you.
With that said winning regionals by 146 and putting 10 in the finals is a beat down no matter how you slice it. Speaking of bonus points how do you think 239.9 points were put on the board?
Now back to the originals post about the team race.

I answered your second question you asked if Laney had scored more than anyone else. My point was old school Parkland I am sure put up more than that because regionals were full without byes and they got bonus points from their kids.
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Exactly bonus points!!!!! Can you imagine the score without the bye’s again 239.5 points that is bonus points galore, what is your point?

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Jtutterow

I just posed a question never said anything about Laney winning it all and about competition, Laney or any team cannot control who they wrestle at regionals you can only wrestle who is in front of you.
With that said winning regionals by 146 and putting 10 in the finals is a beat down no matter how you slice it. Speaking of bonus points how do you think 239.9 points were put on the board?
Now back to the originals post about the team race.

I answered your second question you asked if Laney had scored more than anyone else. My point was old school Parkland I am sure put up more than that because regionals were full without byes and they got bonus points from their kids.
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Exactly bonus points!!!!! Can you imagine the score without the bye’s again 239.5 points that is bonus points galore, what is your point?

That was my point...
Parkland holds the record with 270 points in an individual regional and each kid had a full bracket and got bonus points. Also they qualified 14 to the state tournament that year. Could I imagine Laney doing that yes. They would have scored more than they did with consolations but probably not much more.  Not enough to take the record.

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Jtutterow

I just posed a question never said anything about Laney winning it all and about competition, Laney or any team cannot control who they wrestle at regionals you can only wrestle who is in front of you.
With that said winning regionals by 146 and putting 10 in the finals is a beat down no matter how you slice it. Speaking of bonus points how do you think 239.9 points were put on the board?
Now back to the originals post about the team race.

I answered your second question you asked if Laney had scored more than anyone else. My point was old school Parkland I am sure put up more than that because regionals were full without byes and they got bonus points from their kids.
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Exactly bonus points!!!!! Can you imagine the score without the bye’s again 239.5 points that is bonus points galore, what is your point?

That was my point...
Parkland holds the record with 270 points in an individual regional and each kid had a full bracket and got bonus points. Also they qualified 14 to the state tournament that year. Could I imagine Laney doing that yes. They would have scored more than they did with consolations but probably not much more.  Not enough to take the record.

If you want to continue the Parkland/ Laney debate start another thread this is about 4A team race or maybe focus on getting your 2 qualifiers on the podium.

[psu9wrestler]

A normal year - Hough would easily repeat.  They have many guys that would be in the top 4, most guys top 6.  Now with the brackets like they are and single elimination, you have top guys going at it from the quarters, which will put one out to no longer earn points again.  So you have to look at how many guys will a team have in the finals and is that enough to counter Laney having so many kids qualify and potentially scoring points early.  My guess is that Laney will fizzle fast but go ahead with a big lead, then it is a catch-up game for everyone else. In some cases, it was better to get 3rd than 1st or 2nd coming out of a region, that is never the case except for this year.

High Probability of Champs
Hough - 3
Laney- 2
Pinecrest - 2
LKN - 2

So it is open for the taking.  I believe there will be 1-2 upsets that will win or lose the tournament for a team. That's it 1-2 critical matches in the quarters or Semi's.

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Jtutterow

I just posed a question never said anything about Laney winning it all and about competition, Laney or any team cannot control who they wrestle at regionals you can only wrestle who is in front of you.
With that said winning regionals by 146 and putting 10 in the finals is a beat down no matter how you slice it. Speaking of bonus points how do you think 239.9 points were put on the board?
Now back to the originals post about the team race.

I answered your second question you asked if Laney had scored more than anyone else. My point was old school Parkland I am sure put up more than that because regionals were full without byes and they got bonus points from their kids.
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Exactly bonus points!!!!! Can you imagine the score without the bye’s again 239.5 points that is bonus points galore, what is your point?

That was my point...
Parkland holds the record with 270 points in an individual regional and each kid had a full bracket and got bonus points. Also they qualified 14 to the state tournament that year. Could I imagine Laney doing that yes. They would have scored more than they did with consolations but probably not much more.  Not enough to take the record.

If you want to continue the Parkland/ Laney debate start another thread this is about 4A team race or maybe focus on getting your 2 qualifiers on the podium.

Oh you don't have to worry about what I am doing. Should have just left the thread with the first question and not the second if you weren't ready for a debate. I also gave my two cents on the 4A team race or maybe you did not read my whole post. Possibly you only read what you want to read for ego purposes which is fine.   

[Coach Atwood]

Laney has the advantage based on numbers, but they aren't a lock.  They will have to perform in the weights outside of Samuel, Harrison, Johnson, and Bell (170) in order to win the team race.  They have tough matches prior to the semis they must win to put themselves in position. 

The same for Northwest Guilford.  They should have two champs at 132 and 145, but have tough 1st or QF draws at all other weights. 

The team to watch in the team race is Gibbons.  I see them getting to the semis at 120, 132, and 170.  If they win in their tough QF matchups at 113 and 138 they will be in good position to make a run.  If they get all five in the finals I think they would win it at that point. 

Lake Norman should have two champs at 195 and 220, but have tough matches to win everywhere else to get those wrestlers on the podium. 

Should be a good show for those in attendance.